If you aren’t familiar the WeeWar Players Association , it was established as a community to promote fair and honorable play on WeeWar. I am not a member, and that’s not meant to be a judgement call, it’s just that I was never interested in it personally. It didn’t help that the first time I ever heard of it was when one of it’s members spammed every game I was playing when they determined a game was over and assumed I was lying when I said I was finished for the night and then didn’t click logout (ironically they are one of highest ranked WWPA members ). Since that time I have played many WWPA members and just like any group they have a few bad apples but are great for the most part.
The main features of the WWPA are it’s "Greylist " of people who have violated the WWPA rules of fair play and it’s certification of members. With the replay feature removed from the game, greylist accusations have become much harder to verify, making it much less useful. I’m also sure that if you scan that list you’ll see people that you would be happy to play again and know to be good and honorable players - can you ever get delisted? The greylist, in it’s current form and circumstances, is broken.
The certification process is still of some value, but if you take a look at the list there are some big names missing and judging by the number of uncertified members, it doesn’t look like people are spending a lot of time updating it. I think most players just trust each other by default - WeeWar is a great community and you’re unlikely to get burned if the player you’re playing has some players that ‘prefer them’ and have played more than a handful of games.
Please tell me your opinions: with no replay, no way to earn a removal from the greylist, and few updates to the certification list - does the WWPA still have a role to play in WeeWar? If so, what is it?
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Can you ever get delisted? Nice rhetorical question trying to lead the audience to bias against the WWPA. Yes, all you have to do is reach out to Pistos. On tangler or on the new weewar forums. Pistos always responds.
The one where someone was trying to get un-greylisted, they ended up admitting to booting someone that was just barely over the time limit because it helped them. Look on tangler for the evidence. It is a big thread.
The WWPA exists to help others keep the very bottom of the players group out of your games, if you choose. You can go all in with someone greylisted, just don't be suprised when they boot you for being 1 minute over.
Last time I tried logging in to WWPA, the web site was defunct.
That just means that we have to find a way to hold on to the replay.
Replay was removed since it wasn't reliable
There will always be a need for the WWPA. It is a good idea but for it to be of even more use, people need to participate in it more.
Personally, I like the WWPA although I rarely use it nowadays. Occasionally, I come across a player's profile and get a message saying the player was greylisted (via my greasemonkey script), so I head over to the greylist page and see if the game is available and take a look at it before entering a game with that person. If the game is not available, and they are preferred by players who I prefer, then I'll go for a game with them, although I'll keep in mind that they were greylisted at some point for whatever reason. It's a nice precaution and I think it helps with players who like to play quick 5-min or 10-min time limit rated games (not me, although I do play that quickly sometimes) and don't want to get booted for having to run an errand, take a dump, have family to take care of, or the game runs for hours into the night longer than expected and there's work/school in the morning. I usually play with people I know and sometimes venture out of that circle, and when I do, it's nice to know that at some point a player I'm thinking of playing with once made a secret alliance or boot without warning or care about others' needs, even though doing any of that is not against the official rules. For certification - I almost never look at that.
Pistos, who runs the WWPA, as far as I know, has begun saving all of the evidence games for greylisted players, per my suggestion. I think you should interview him, since he runs the thing and occasionally brings out some new cool stuff for member use, like the messaging system, external map saver, and a formerly working AI and sweet game replayer.
And yes there is a way to redeem yourself off of the greylist. I think you have to join the WWPA and raise your certification level above a certain level, i.e. have another WWPA member certify you as a player who plays within WWPA standards. Hopefully, with saved evidence games from now on, disputes will rarely arise concerning one being greylisted, and so the greylist will be a more reliable source for seeing the unsportsmanlike actions of players. (Pistos - if you're reading this, after you've saved an evidence game, please host it so everyone can see it after the game has been removed from Weewar's servers.)
Thanks Spadequack, I will try to talk to Pistos. I'm glad to hear that you can earn your way off the greylist but I'm not sure I like the process. This encourages greylisted players to be a part of the WWPA (and some proudly list that they are on their profiles). Then you have to rely on people certifying the greylisted member, a process very few people seem to do anymore. It sounds like the WWPA may still have a role in WeeWar, but I'm still not entirely convinced.
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